Cassette 1 Side 2
Media
Part of Lucinda Reid Brown Interview
Identifier
1:2
Title
Cassette 1 Side 2
Type
Interview
Source
Lucinda Reid Brown Interview, January 10, 1990
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Description
Cassette 1
Side 2
00:30--Church--she can remember another Reverend Oglesby who died while preaching at the pulpit. His replacement was a Reverend Williams. Reverend Williams baptized Mrs. Reid Brown. They briefly discuss the only two black churches in the immediate area: "Little Abel" and Abel Baptist Church.
5:10--Mrs. Reid Brown recalls attending singing conventions and some of her favorite songs.
10:00--Mr. Oglesby is interested in knowing if there were ever any occasions on which whites and blacks worshipped together. She understands that "in the old days," the congregation at the Old Stone Church allowed blacks to attend.
11:15--Education--she went to school at Abel Baptist as a youth. When school districts were drawn up, she was no longer allowed to attend Abel. The problem arose, however, that there was no school in her district. A gentleman named Mr. Shaw had an old two-room house that he rented out for use as the new school. The school term consisted of two winter months and three summer months. Mr. Dupree was the first teacher that she can remember. He was one of the only blacks in the area at the time that had an education and also owned land. Mr. Dupree was educated at Benedict. Both Mrs. Reid Brown's parents could read and write, though she is unaware of when or where they were educated. Her sister Pauline was the first individual in the family that attended college (Seneca Junior). Her parents made sure that books were available in the house for the children to read. "Black History" was not taught in schools.
20:57--Voting--to her knowledge blacks didn't vote in the old days; Mrs. Reid Brown's generation were among the first to be allowed.
22:24--There were no pre-Civil War "free blacks" in her family. She can recall an individual called "Free Joe" who fell into this category, however. There was some tension between free and emancipated blacks after the war. "Free Blacks" seemed to look down on the newly emancipated.
24:12--In her experience, whites always looked down on the black community and attempted to hold them back. Blacks always had to be very respectful to whites in social situations.
25:44--Lynching--blacks were intensely fearful of this scenario--blacks were especially afraid to speak to white women.
26:55--Law enforcement and blacks--blacks were always taught to stay out of trouble by "knowing their place." She feels this is ridiculous, because "her place" is everybody else's place.
28:15--Relationships between black women and white men were well known in the old days. Some couples had large families of racially mixed children. Some white men would explain the presence of black mistresses in the house as their "house keepers."
29:52--Mulattos were treated differently by the black community; they thought of themselves socially as "white." They received no additional respect from the whites, however.
31:42--Audio ends.
Side 2
00:30--Church--she can remember another Reverend Oglesby who died while preaching at the pulpit. His replacement was a Reverend Williams. Reverend Williams baptized Mrs. Reid Brown. They briefly discuss the only two black churches in the immediate area: "Little Abel" and Abel Baptist Church.
5:10--Mrs. Reid Brown recalls attending singing conventions and some of her favorite songs.
10:00--Mr. Oglesby is interested in knowing if there were ever any occasions on which whites and blacks worshipped together. She understands that "in the old days," the congregation at the Old Stone Church allowed blacks to attend.
11:15--Education--she went to school at Abel Baptist as a youth. When school districts were drawn up, she was no longer allowed to attend Abel. The problem arose, however, that there was no school in her district. A gentleman named Mr. Shaw had an old two-room house that he rented out for use as the new school. The school term consisted of two winter months and three summer months. Mr. Dupree was the first teacher that she can remember. He was one of the only blacks in the area at the time that had an education and also owned land. Mr. Dupree was educated at Benedict. Both Mrs. Reid Brown's parents could read and write, though she is unaware of when or where they were educated. Her sister Pauline was the first individual in the family that attended college (Seneca Junior). Her parents made sure that books were available in the house for the children to read. "Black History" was not taught in schools.
20:57--Voting--to her knowledge blacks didn't vote in the old days; Mrs. Reid Brown's generation were among the first to be allowed.
22:24--There were no pre-Civil War "free blacks" in her family. She can recall an individual called "Free Joe" who fell into this category, however. There was some tension between free and emancipated blacks after the war. "Free Blacks" seemed to look down on the newly emancipated.
24:12--In her experience, whites always looked down on the black community and attempted to hold them back. Blacks always had to be very respectful to whites in social situations.
25:44--Lynching--blacks were intensely fearful of this scenario--blacks were especially afraid to speak to white women.
26:55--Law enforcement and blacks--blacks were always taught to stay out of trouble by "knowing their place." She feels this is ridiculous, because "her place" is everybody else's place.
28:15--Relationships between black women and white men were well known in the old days. Some couples had large families of racially mixed children. Some white men would explain the presence of black mistresses in the house as their "house keepers."
29:52--Mulattos were treated differently by the black community; they thought of themselves socially as "white." They received no additional respect from the whites, however.
31:42--Audio ends.